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Is the price of collective guilt worth it?

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On the April 24, 2012 broadcast of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart Madeleine Albright stated (starting at the 15′ 56” mark):

“Anyway the issue was that there were minorities in Czechoslovakia and a big one was the German minority. And the story of the beginning of the 30s was that the German minority didn’t feel that it was treated properly. And they were the Sudeten Germans. And they then, as I learned history, were alleged in many ways of providing the environment for the creation of a nazi party there. And so they were viewed as traitors and in many cases they were. And so then what happened, after the war once the allies had won, the Sudeten Germans were all pushed out of Czechoslovakia. And when I was Ambassador and then Secretary of State  <unintelligible> and we were talking about ethnic cleaning in the former Yugoslavia they said, ‘Well what do you think your people did to the germans? They pushed them out too.’ So this is one of those moral aspects. I don’t believe in collective guilt and one of the reasons that I was so vocal on the idea of the War Crimes Tribunal and the International Criminal Court is that we can’t assign collective guilt, we have to find individual guilt. So those are some of the various aspects …”

Link to excerpt here

On May 12, 1996:

Q. We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

A. We think the price is worth it.

Of course Jon Stewart never really pressed her on the issue.

P.S. I would have added only the excerpt for the daily show interview but stupid wordpress does not understand the embed code provided by hulu.

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May 19, 2012 at 06:20

Mamata Vanish!

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Mamata Vanish!

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May 13, 2012 at 01:06

Gay Marriage: Classical Liberal vs Libertarian Part II

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  1. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok Would you support giving a gay couple exactly the same rights as a straight couple except that they cannot adopt children?
  2. sabhlok
    @PolvolterDnkymn No. Marriage is NOT a natural right. Liberty is. Marriage is an INSTITUTION of nature and society, and is inviolable. #fb
  3. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok So you would not allow gay couples to have a say in medical decisions (like straight couples) or similar tax benefits, inheritance?
  4. sabhlok
    @PolvolterDnkymn I’ve said they can CONTRACT whatever they want. But that is NOT marriage. They can’t rear children, nor call it marriage.
  5. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok Which is great! But what about state conferred benefits? Such as tax deductions? Welfare benefits payable to surviving spouse?
  6. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok Immigration benefits? There are some benefits straight couples get from the state which gay couples cannot, and can’t contract for
  7. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok The ideal (and libertarian) solution is that the state should not provide any such benefits at all to anybody gay or straight
  8. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok But until we can achieve that goal the least we (libs & libertarians) should aim for is equal treatment by the state
  9. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok I realise the objection many people have is calling a gay union as “marriage” since that carries a lot of religious baggage
  10. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok My solution is that the state should treat all couples, gay and straight as being in a “civil union” and remove “marriage” (1/2)

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May 13, 2012 at 00:24

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Gay Marriage: Classical Liberal vs Libertarian Part I

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  1. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok Would you support giving a gay couple exactly the same rights as a straight couple except that they cannot adopt children?
  2. sabhlok
    @PolvolterDnkymn No. Marriage is NOT a natural right. Liberty is. Marriage is an INSTITUTION of nature and society, and is inviolable. #fb
  3. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok So you would not allow gay couples to have a say in medical decisions (like straight couples) or similar tax benefits, inheritance?
  4. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok So according to you laws banning e.g. interracial marriage are A-OK? You don’t think such laws are an infringement on liberty?
  5. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok Well you just said that there is no natural right to marriage and hence no gay marriage. Would you treat interracial marriage same?
  6. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok I do note that you have been unable to justify why it would be wrong for a society/state to ban interracial marriage (1/2)
  7. PolvolterDnkymn
    @sabhlok After all if marriage is a state/societal institution & not a natural right & thus regulable then state can ban interracial marriag

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May 13, 2012 at 00:22

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